Huey Lois Roach

Walter married Sarah Rose Ella Allen on 7 Jul 1901 in Waxahachie, Ellis, Texas, USA. Sarah (daughter of Robert Fleming Allen and Elizabeth Ann Alexander) was born on 17 Jul 1891 in Cuero, DeWitt County Texas; died on 9 Apr 1964 in Grapevine, Tarrant County, Texas. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Granny Rose Allen
Moses "Mose" and Rosie "Grannie" Allen were the parents of Robert Fleming Allen , and the grandparents of his daughter and my grandmother Sarah Ella Allen. He was their only son. Moses was wounded in the Civil War and later died from those wounds in 1902. Rosie was born in 1837 and died in 1931. They came to North Texas from Mississippi in 1890, and Moses died 12 years later.

From Cheryl Williams
They actually came via South Carolina: Moses was first known to have been in Monroe County, Georgia in 1850 with his mother Nancy, and his brothers Greenberry (or Green B), Redmond & Jefferson. In all the recorded census records, it says he was born in South Carolina.

As you look at Rosanna (Rosie's) lineage, you will see that although it says she was born in GA, her parents were from SC, and they can be traced particularly to Chester County South Carolina.

This is where it gets interesting....
I found (via Maryland Genealogical) a very old and much over looked manuscript of an Equity Court Case in Chester County SC which named the decendants & heirs of a Richard Allen ca 1735 - 1806. There were names in about 16 pages of the worst handwriting ever decyphered in the whole history of Earth. I would have never looked at Chester County SC ever had it not been for the clerk at the archives in Maryland.....

There were the names of Richard's heirs, some of whom were trying to claim their part of the land which he gave son Elisha who had since died. In it were named the following children: Barnett Allen, James, John, Isaac, William, Chesley, Elijah, Sarah (Sally), Frances, & Nancy - as well as some of their children. Some had died, some had moved "west" and were not heard from since. The date on this record was 1846, and I have to assume the year that Richard's son, Elijah had died.

Chesley was noted to have left the area, leaving his son Emanual. Saying all of this an heir of Emanuel and an heir from Moses exactly match markers in their yDNA samples. Closer than kin than the cousins I know that we are 100% kin to, simply because we visited and broke bread together back in the 1970's......

Anyway, not to get side tracked, I got very excited to find this information, but have not succeeded in getting any other family interested except for the Cassles family, which one of the Allen girls (Frances) married Benjamin Cassles (Castles). Many people on the internet have placed a very strange but undocumented name as Benjamin's wife. Strange but true. I haven't figured out yet why folks post undocumented stuff, and strangely yet why people believe it.....

The connection to Chester County SC was the clenching deal, BUT which son that Nancy was married to remains to be proven. She may have been a daughter-in-law named in the Equity Court Case (Nancy) but I do not believe that is the case, as she (that particular Nancy) was named as Nancy Nabors (Neighbors) in the case. The mother to Moses was definitely Nancy Allen.

Here is the Reader's Digest condensed version of Richard's Will, and (some) of the Equity Court case:

Richard Allen died about 1806 and left a will - transcribed below:

In the name of God Amen I Richard Allen of the State of South Carolina & District of Chester being weak in body but of Sound mind and blessed blessed be God do this Seventh Day of March in the Year of our Lord 1806 make and publish this my last will and testament in manner following that is to say first I give
and bequeath to my Eldest Son John the sum of five Shillings and no more, Item I give and bequeath to My Son Elijah all the land I am now posessed of Item I give and bequeath to my beloved wife Mary and Children vis Isaac, Barnet, William, Chesly, Elijah, James, Francis, Nancy, and Sarah, all my personal Estate to be equally divided between them after my just debts are paid & I make Constitute and ordain my trusty friends Christopher Nabors & Benjamin Castels, to be My Executors in trust for my Estate In witness thereof I the said Richard Allen have to this my last will and testament Set My hand and Seal this 7th
March, 1806
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John must have been a scoundrel (my 5th ggfather is John) and he got 5 Shillings - Elijah must have been the brains of the family.....

Then Elijah must have died and then the surviving heirs of Richard petitioned the courts for the land to be appraised, sold, and divided.

This is the short version:
John Allen had moved to AL and had not been heard of since.
James had moved from the state - no heirs listed.

Chesley was the father of Emanuel. Chesley moved to either TN or KY about 1815
and took his family except for Emanuel, and had not been heard of since.

Barnett Allen removed to some Western States about 1810 and they have not heard from him since. Barnett Sr is the father of Barnett Jr who is listed as a plaintiff

James Allen removed from the state and has not been heard from since.

Isaac died about 1820 leaving the following children: Richard, Charity, Mary, Barnett, William, Isaac, James and Francis.

Mary married Tillman Whitehead and he abandoned her.
Francis married Berry Hardin and moved west.
Sally Allen married William Rogers and he abandoned her and left the state.

I am not sure about William - I'm sure that he was described in part that was
unreadable.

I hope this is enlightening and usable in your search for your ancestors. I'd love some help in connecting the dots.
Cheryl
Cheryl30523@yahoo.com

Richard married Betty Elizabeth Evans. Betty (daughter of Joseph T Evans) was born in 1855 in Tennessee, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Robert Fleming Allen was born 17 Dec 1867 in Forsyth, Georgia Co., USA as the second child of Moses Allen and Rosana Rosie ( Grannie ) McFall. He had one sibling, namely: Rebecca E. He died 16 Jan 1944 in Dallas, Dall Texas, USA. When he was 20, Then Robert Fleming Allen married Eliza Ann Alexander,daughter of John Anthony Alexander and Sarah Jane Wells, 18 Dec 1887 in Grapevine, Dallas, Texas, USA.

His cause of death was gangrene of the leg. His reference number is 94. He was counted in the census 1870 in Forsyth, Monroe Co., Georgia, USA. He was counted in the census 1880 in Denton Co., TX E D 105 page 55. He was counted in the census 1900 in Denton Co., Texas, USA. He was counted in the census 1910 in Titus Co., TX census ED141 sht. 1 vol 135. He was counted in the census 1920 in Dallas Co., Texas, USA. He was counted in the census 1930 in Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. He was buried 18 Jan 1944 in Grapevine, Dallas, Texas Co., USA.

Robert Fleming Allen and Eliza Ann Alexander had the following children:

1. John Riley Allen was born 20 Nov 1888 in Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. He died 19 Nov 1950 in Cameron, Milam Co, Texas, USA.
2. Sarah Ellen Allen was born Jul 1891 in Denton Co., Texas, USA. She died 10 Apr 1964 in Grapevine, Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. Then Sarah Ellen Allen married Walter R Roach 1907 in Titus Co., Texas, USA.
3. Gilbert Allen was born 05 Jun 1893 in Grapevine, Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. He died 02 Jan 1967 in Mount Pleasant, Titus, Texas, USA. Then Gilbert Allen married Dora Mae Ryan 02 Apr 1920 in Mount Pleasant, Titus, Texas, USA.
4. Alabama Vestie Allen was born 26 Dec 1894 in Grapevine, Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. He died 15 May 1973 in Dallas, Texas, USA.
5. Otis Allen was born 18 Apr 1896 in Grapevine, Tarrant Co., Texas, USA. He died 21 September 1965 in Nez Perce, Lewis, Idaho, USA. Then Otis Allen married Lennie May Trotman 22 Dec 1915 in Mount Pleasant, Titus, Texas, USA. Then Otis Allen married Lavada Mason Abt. 1934 in Texas, USA.
6. A Dewey Allen was born 29 September 1898 in Denton Co., Texas, USA. He died 27 Aug 1949 in Dallas, Dallas Co., Tex. Then Dewey Dewey Allen marllie Mary Unknown Abt. 1924 in Dallas Co., Texas, USA.
7. Clay ( Pleas) Allen V was born 17 Nov 1902 in Denton Co., Texas, USA. He died 26 Jan 1960 in Dallas Co., Texas, USA.
8. Robert B Allen was born 03 Mar 1911 in Titus Co., Texas, USA. He died 24 September 1973 in Dallas Co., Texas, USA.
Robert F Allen is born in Alabama on the 1880 census but in GA on the 1870 census, apparently his parents moved there in about 1868 or there about.
By 1880 they are in Denton Co., TX ...
In 1910 Robert his wife Eliza and family are living in Titus Co. TX this was after his father in law John Alexander was killed , so the family must have drifted away from Denton Co., for awhile.
In 1920 they are in Dallas Co., TX with most of his family...
In 1930 they are back near Denton Co., actually at Grapevine TX Tarrant Co., this is where his mother Rosie Allen died in 1930 and is buried there with husband Moses...

1870 Census Forsyth, Monroe Co., Georgia
Moses Allen Self M Male W 44 States GA but sure he was from SC
Rosanna wife M Female W 27 GA
Rebecca E Allen DDar S Female W 7 GA
Robert F Allen Son S Male W 3 GA

1880 Census Denton Co., TX Precinct 3, Denton, Texas
Moses ALLEN Self M Male W 52 SC Farmer SC SC
Rosana ALLEN Wife M Female W 38 GA Keeping House SC SC
Rebecca E. ALLEN Dau S Female W 17 GA SC GA
Robert T. ALLEN Son S Male W 11 AL SC GA ( Error by census taker Roberts initial is F
Hardin H. LOTT Other S Male W 20 MS Works On Farm MS MS
Joseph KNIGHT Other S Male W 6 TX TX TX

1910 Titus Co., TX Census
Robert F Allen age 42 b. Georgia
Lizzie wife age 42
Gilbert son age 16
Vestie son age 15
Otis son age 13
Dewey son age 11
Pleas son age 7

1900 Census ( have not found them ) They were living in Denton Co. At this time, or perhaps Dallas co TX

1920 Dallas Co. Census Page 12B dist. 2 ED 50
Robert F Allen age 52 b. GA
Eliza A Allen age 52 b. AL
Al Vestie age 25 b. TX
Otis Allen age 23 b. TX
Dewey Allen age 21 b. TX
Clay Allen age 17 b. TX
Robert B Allen age 8 b. TX

1930 Tarrant Co., TX Census Page 6B, ED 114 , Precinct 3
Robert F Allen W M age 62 married at 24 b. GA father b. South Carolina , mother Alabama. occupation farmer. can read and write.
Eliza A W F age 62 married at 24 b. Alabama , father AL., Mother AL. home maker can read and write.
Samuel WM grandson age 15 b. TX father TX , mother TX
Have not been able at this point to find out which one of Roberts sons had a Samuel Allen age 15 in 1930 Robert F Allen is born in Alabama on the 1880 census but in GA on the 1870 census, apparently his parents moved there in about 1868 or there about.
By 1880 they are in Denton Co., TX ...
In 1910 Robert his wife Eliza and family are living in Titus Co. TX this was after his father in law John Alexander was killed , so the family must have drifted away from Denton Co., for awhile.
In 1920 they are in Dallas Co., TX with most of his family...
In 1930 they are back near Denton Co., actually at Grapevine TX Tarrant Co., this is where his mother Rosie Allen died in 1930 and is buried there with husband Moses...

1870 Census Forsyth, Monroe Co., Georgia
Moses Allen Self M Male W 44 States GA but sure he was from SC
Rosanna wife M Female W 27 GA
Rebecca E Allen Dau. S Female W 7 GA
Robert F Allen Son S Male W 3 GA

1880 Census Denton Co., TX Precinct 3, Denton, Texas
Moses ALLEN Self M Male W 52 SC Farmer SC SC
Rosana ALLEN Wife M Female W 38 GA Keeping House SC SC
Rebecca E. ALLEN Dau S Female W 17 GA SC GA
Robert T. ALLEN Son S Male W 11 AL SC GA ( Error by census taker Roberts initial is F
Hardin H. LOTT Other S Male W 20 MS Works On Farm MS MS
Joseph KNIGHT Other S Male W 6 TX TX TX

1910 Titus Co., TX Census
Robert F Allen age 42 b. Georgia
Lizzie wife age 42
Gilbert son age 16
Vestie son age 15
Otis son age 13
Dewey son age 11
Pleas son age 7

1900 Census ( have not found them ) They were living in Denton Co. At this time, or perhaps Dallas co TX

1920 Dallas Co. Census Page 12B dist. 2 ED 50
Robert F Allen age 52 b. GA
Eliza A Allen age 52 b. AL
Al Vestie age 25 b. TX
Otis Allen age 23 b. TX
Dewey Allen age 21 b. TX
Clay Allen age 17 b. TX
Robert B Allen age 8 b. TX

1930 Tarrant Co., TX Census Page 6B, ED 114 , Precinct 3
Robert F Allen W M age 62 married at 24 b. GA father b. South Carolina , mother Alabama. occupation farmer. can read and write.
Eliza A W F age 62 married at 24 b. Alabama , father AL., Mother AL. home maker can read and write.
Samuel WM grandson age 15 b. TX father TX , mother TX
Have not been able at this point to find out which one of Roberts sons had a Samuel Allen age 15 in 1930

Robert married Elizabeth Ann Alexander. Elizabeth was born in 1868; died in 1941. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

James married Mary Amanda Johnson. Mary was born in 1836; died in 1909. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Moses married Rosana McFall. Rosana was born on 11 Nov 1842 in Jasper, Georgia; died on 17 Apr 1930. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]